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15 years 4 months ago #598 by [email protected]
Hi
I'm based in Bristol,England and my new to me 10 year old 320 which suffers permenant wet bilges, even when ashore. (I'm used to sailing with just dust down there)
It's not rain water,the volume is too great for the weather we've been having, nor the PCC shaft seal which just leaves me to think its a hose or tank problem.
I've checked all the plumbing hose clips,including those to and from the calorifer and also checked the underside of the water tank with an endiscope , which revealed alloy surface corrosion, possibly indicating a long term problem.

I'd like to ask if anyone has had a pipe freeze and split over a winter period .
as I'm now considering a hose replacement programme, but before making a start hopping for some ideas.

Thanks & Happy 2011 sailing David
David Jolley

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15 years 4 months ago #599 by hayden
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David:

Most IPs I have been on always seem to have a little water in the bilge, I would say 2-6 inches. Here are places I have seen water come from:

1. The water heater connections in the stern, it can drain to bilge
2. The bow pulpit stb side where the bow light wiring comes into the bow, look in the anchor locker to see the wire location. A leak here will run to the bilge. I had this on our Ip27-058.
3. The anchor wash down pump and hose to the bow can leak.
4. An air conditioning drain pan will condense and drain into the bilge.
5. The shower pan drain hose runs to the bilge where it is contained into a small waste paper size container, this can leak.
6. Cockpit floor drains which run to the stern will nearly always be cracked on the bottom of the curve as they turn from vertical to horizontal to exit the stern. This will drain into the bilge, inspect these from the sail locker aft the rudder post.
7. Chain plate seals can leak allowing water into the bilge.

Other than these, it could be the water tank or water system. If your water system is holding pressure and the pump is not running often, then you do not have a leak with the pressure system.

The water tank could have a small leak, as these aluminum tanks weaken at the welds due to chlorine in the city water. Chlorine will pit the aluminum making aluminum chloride crystals that you will pick up in the water pumps and sink screens. If the water tank is leaking, you should see this with a mirror under the tank at one of the corners.

My best guess is that you have a leak in one of the listed items above and not your water tank.

Please let us know what you discover.

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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15 years 4 months ago #605 by a Guest
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Have you determined if the water is fresh (perhaps brackish) of salty? Taste test in order.

I've seen hoses break in a winter freeze, clamps loosen, water manifold both hot and cold come apart, the engine exhaust vented loop stick and siphon water into the bilge of aft compartments, scupper hoses dry rot and start leaking. Does your fresh water consumption seem out of ordinary?

Set up a few dams in the bilge using flour and try to figure out where the water is coming from - fore/aft - then play detective and you should be able to find the source.

There is always a small amount of water in an IP bilge.

Bobby
St Lucia

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15 years 4 months ago #614 by [email protected]
Hi Hayden and Bobby,
Thank you both for your replies and suggestions.
Firstly, whilst not ideal,I suppose it's reassuring to learn that wet bilges are not just a feature on my particular boat.
Yes,I've tasted the water and whilst clear, (I sail mostly in the muddy Bristol Channel)it does taste... but not quite sure of what, other than not to make a habit of it!
In reading Hayden's reply, I'm reminded that when on board overnight I noticed that the water pressure pump cuts in a few times and now I turn off the power supply to the pump and reduce pressure by openning the tap for a few seconds toreduce pressure.This has helped.
Anyway, I have printed off your ideas and will have another search.
Thanks again,
best wishes
David

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15 years 4 months ago #615 by a Guest
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David:

You may have hit the problem on the head - if the fresh water pump is cycling on periodically then you have a pressurized fresh water leak. You need to look at every one of the fresh water connection points on the boat and you will find the leak.

Bobby

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15 years 4 months ago #618 by [email protected]
Hi Bobby,
I posted the problem hoping for an alternative 'easy' cause; I had already tightened all the water line jubilee clips, so now intend to fit some 'in line' taps (when it gets a bit warmer)and by a process of ellimination trace the leaking line and then replace it.
When on board today, having another think, noticed the water lines felt quite brittle.
Thanks for your interest
regards
David

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15 years 2 months ago #699 by Galileo
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Another area that you could investigate.

From another post I started in the past about a similar problem, I think my wet bilge was being caused by scupper hoses that had badly deteriorated in areas which I could not see but had to feel. A simple water poring test into the cockpit drain scuppers allowed me to observe the water slightly draining into the bilge. I then used an inspection mirror and could see the leaking areas on both scupper hoses.

Since the boat is covered for the winter I have started to replace these scupper hoses. Ours is an IP 37, no doubt with a different configuration as to how to get to these hoses than your IP 32. Regardless, they all seem to not be very accessible.

Good luck,

Larry & Gerry

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