details required to spec new prop on IP38

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12 years 2 weeks ago #3555 by markrodger
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Hi Guys looking for some help. I am considering fitting a folding / variable prop on my IP 38. I have been all over the net looking at various blogs, pros and cons for all makes. As I cannot get access to my boat I am looking for info that I can send to the various manufactures to get quotes. I know that the engine is a Yanmar 4JH2E with max HP50 at 3600rpm, I think the gearbox is a KBW 20 (whatever that means) but I have no idea of the shaft details. She has a 3 blade fixed at the moment. Any help would be appreciated.

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12 years 1 week ago #3559 by hayden
Mark:

The shaft on these IPs are 1 14" dia. We run an IP35 with a 38 HP and we have a fixed three bladed prop at 17: dia and 14" pitch. What that means is the in one revolution the prop will move forward 14" It is also a RH, right handed prop. This means when viewed from astern, it turns clockwise in forward. Maybe this will help.

17-18" Dia and 13-14" pitch seems to be what a lot of owners run in our size boats are running.

Hayden

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IP35-165 Island Spirit
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Rock Hall, MD

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12 years 1 week ago #3563 by a64pilot
Replied by a64pilot on topic Re: details required to spec new prop on IP38
Call the factory, I want to think the spec I was quoted for my 38, hull #41 was an 18" x 8 prop, which is a whole lot different than a 14" pitch. My engine is a 4JHE, which I think is 44 HP?
Mine is over propped as I can only get 2600 RPM and I plan on fixing that this winter during haul out, but as I get 6.5 kts at 2000 RPM and 7 at 2200, I may just leave it alone as I do hit hull speed (7.5 kts) at full throttle.

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12 years 1 week ago #3564 by hayden
Mark
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Jodi

This prop pitch is a big topic with the IP owners. It really needs to be associated with the transmission ratios as well. I know a lot of owners that are running props from 11" pitch to 14" pitch. My KBW10 transmission has a ratio of 2.83:1

Do you know what your transmission ratio is?

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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12 years 6 days ago #3570 by a64pilot
Replied by a64pilot on topic Re: details required to spec new prop on IP38
Not at the boat now, but if memory serves I have a KBW20 with I think a ratio of 2.6 to 1, but believe there are some 2.1 to 1 -20's as well, not sure what IP spec'd.
I called the factory a couple of months back as I'm overpropped and wanted to either find another prop or have mine re-pitched during haul out this winter, they told me the factory prop for an IP 38 was 18 x 8.
That is a big difference from a 14 pitch prop and why I said call the factory, I assume they still have the build sheets from these old boats and could tell us exactly what was put on there.
You have me worried now, if I need a 12 or 14 and put on an 8, well I've wasted time and money because that can't work.
I also assume the factory diameter and pitch should be real close to perfect, or you have to assume Island Packet doesn't know what they are doing, and they are in fact wrong
Many, many sailboats are overpropped, I assume this comes from the old type of low RPM Diesels and people just not wanting to run their new Yanmars beyond 2000 RPM or so because that's how they ran their Perkins.
You can get away with overpropping without harm as long as you don't use much throttle, say never use more than 25 HP out of a 44 HP engine and that is where the perceived better fuel consumption comes from, the fact that your only using so little HP, turning the RPM down on an engine does not reduce it's BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption)it does however greatly reduce the power output.
Turning down the RPM can have a little effect as your reducing engine friction slightly, but it's much smaller than you would think, very difficult to measure.A slower turning prop is more efficient too, but again difference is very small.
Any of you pilots? With a variable speed prop you can of course change engine cruise RPM, turning the RPM down does lower fuel consumption, because it slows the airplane down as the engine loses power, but reduce the speed to the same but leave RPM up, and fuel consumption is the same.

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12 years 6 days ago #3573 by markrodger
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Thanks for all the input. I have bitten the bullet and ordered a 3 Blade Autoprop H5-470mm. I will be back in the water beginning of May and will update the forum on the props performance.

Thanks

Mark

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12 years 1 day ago #3580 by powersht2k
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Wow...18x8. So, I'm guessing a 17x16 would be considered over propped?!?!?

I too cannot get my engine much above 2500-2600...but thought nothing of it since I can cruise along at about 7 knots with 2200RPM rung up. But with the caveat that my stern walk is, well, um, epic - to say the least. I'm thinking maybe going back to the factory spec might help with this...

Lots of good info in this thread.

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