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13 years 3 months ago - 13 years 3 months ago #1831 by hayden
SSB ICOM 802 Install was created by hayden
We installed an ICOM 802 SSB along with a PACTOR III/USB Modem and now after one week of use, the reports are coming back with "CLEAR VOICE and GOOD SIGNAL" from well over 300-500 miles. So, we are guessing that the install is working well. I will say, our reception has been crystal clear, and we hear Chris Parker, our weather service, we hear the Cruiseheimer Net with cruisers checking in from all over, and we can hear the Caribbean Cruisers and their passages.

Here are some points we have learned:

...Buy Everything from Gary Jensen at DockSideRadio.com he will help you out
...Buy a GAM antenna from www.gamelectronicsinc.com/ it is an easy installation
...Buy the KISS Ground Plane from www.kiss-ssb.com/ it is really good
...Follow Gary's book on how to install and how and where to add the Ferrite Chokes
...Run a #6-2 (over 15') or a #8-2 (under 15') direct from the battery box to the radio
...Add a 40 amp fuse at the source on the power pick up

WHAT LICENSES DO I NEED?
1. A Ship Station Licence from the FCC ($160) wireless.fcc.gov/ click on universal licensing
2. A Restricted Radio Operators License ($60) wireless.fcc.gov/ click on universal licensing
These two licenses allow you to transmit on ONLY THE MARINE USB, Upper Side Band Frequencies.
!!!!! GUESS WHO USES MARINE FREQS? Chris Parker and ALL the CRUISERS.....DUH....so there really is ZERO need to pass the HAM EXAMS!

YES....BUT I WANT TO SEND EMAILS....
OK, then you will use your MARINE USB FREQUENCIES and use SAILMAIL, see www.sailmail.com/
SailMail uses the Marina Bands, so, once again, there is NO NEED FOR THE HAM EXAM!

OK....so you want to pass the HAM EXAMS...
Then, you need to study the posted questions, learn the topics and then take two exams. #1 The Technician Class Exam. #2 The General Class Exam
To learn about the FCC question pool and to print your own 96 page, 500+ question list, see this www.arrl.org/question-pools
If you want to pay for an online course to keep track of your studies, then pay for this:
www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/

Remember, THERE IS ZERO REASON TO PASS THE HAM EXAM unless you want to SAVE the $250/yr. membership to SailMail.com.

If you DO PASS the GENERAL Class HAM EXAM, then you can use the FREE SSB Email system at Winlink.org see WinLink.org

In conclusion:
Installing the ICOM 802 took 4 days full time, and we followed Gary Jensen's book that came with his kit. It was far more work than expected, but now that it is working, we are really pleased.

What did all this Cost?
Total with Florida 7% sales tax and shipping $5,125.00
The Pactor Modem is NOT needed if you just want voice and listening. The modem was $1,250 !!

HERE IS OUR PHOTO ESSAY on the install
ipyoa.com/photos/62-hayden/album?albumid=334

Here are a few photos:

The Head unit and speaker are in the Panel


The Transceiver is on a custom Shelf under the NAV Desk



Thanks for taking a look....comments and questions welcomed.

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD
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12 years 9 months ago #2130 by rhpike
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Hayden,
I just finished y install of 802 with KISS/GAM. You mentioned somewhere that you added a ground to a thru-hull. Where is that post?

Also, I get horrible to no reception in my marina slip, but my installer says that is normal. Do you agree?

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12 years 9 months ago #2131 by hayden
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Randy
I added copper foil from tuner ground to the rudder post clamping it to the rudder post packing but at the bottom.

Agree, poor reception in marinas with all the other masts in the way.

Hayden

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12 years 9 months ago #2134 by shawnee
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Hi Randy,

The problem in marinas is likely to be RF interference from motors, air conditioners, etc. These can produce a lot of RF noise and mess up your reception. The masts are not likely to be a problem.
For best RF ground, most hams (an EE engineers, like me) recommend connecting the antenna tuner RF ground to salt water with short wide foil or copper braid. Dynaplates work best, but rudder and/or metal tube around the prop shaft should work in a pinch. To reduce galvanic corrosion, best to install a "DC Block" in series with the ground strap. The KISS ground system and GAM antenna can certainly work, as Hayden and other will attest. But most hams would advise other solutions. The icom antenna tuners work wonders!

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12 years 9 months ago #2135 by rhpike
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Drew,

Thanks for your note. I am a Civil Engineer by degree and Petroleum Eng by career, and barely passed the only EE course I had to take in college:-/. My installer is going to connect a copper foil with requisite capacitors to my rudder post to improve the ground. Will test everything next time I'm away from the marina.

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10 years 4 months ago #4456 by faa50
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Hayden,

Thanks for post. I'm considering installing a similar system on an IP45. After two years are you still a happy customer? Anything you would do differently? Icom 802 SSB is consistently highly rated but I'm seeking mixed reviews on GAM and Kiss. Recently spoke with two SSB installers who spoke very negatively about both products and are strongly advised against.

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10 years 4 months ago #4457 by hayden
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Fred:
I would install the Icom 802 and the AT-140 tuner in a heartbeat again, it is well worth it over a sat phone costs. I WOULD NOT buy the Pactor modem again, it is really not worth it for us. We are not offshore for more than a day or two or three, so sending emails from the middle of the ocean is not needed for us. Plus, it is a real science project to set up and run. Mine does work and I have sent emails on passage, but it really is not needed. I do subscribe to Chris Parker and that is the best money we spent.

As for the KISS and the GAM antenna, we have not real problems, and due to simplicity, I would do that again. On our SSB network check ins, usually the net controllers can hear us and we can usually hear all others. Yes, we might get a stronger signal with a "proper ground" and a "proper antenna" but for a self install, this cant be any easier.

I also would buy from Gary at Dockside Radio mainly due to technical support and his book on how to install everything. This is what we followed.

I did add a wide copper strap from my Sail locker installed AT-140 down to the rudder post packing nut. I connected this using a band clamp which I could all reach from the sail locker. It may have added better transmission. I still want to test this out some time by taking it off and then getting a signal report and then attaching it back on.

Overall, I like my install, and I would do it again the same way.

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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10 years 4 months ago #4460 by shawnee
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Hi Hayden,
Glad the SSB is still working well. On your recent addition of a copper strap from AT-140 to the rudder post - - Did you also install a DC block for the strap? If not, you likely connected your battery minus (at the AT-140) to sea water and bonding system. Fine for SSB, but could add to problems with galvanic corrosion, and create ground loops for induced currents from near by lightning. I had problems with the latter. I think that Dockside Radio will have DC blocks if you need one. If already done, you're ahead of me (as usual)
Fair winds,
Drew

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10 years 4 months ago #4462 by hayden
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Drew
I do not have a DC block, I will add this. I have not noticed any issues but this does sound like a good idea. I will talk to Gary at Dockside Radio as well. Thanks again.

Hayden

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10 years 4 months ago #4464 by groger
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I asked Carl Nichols (Mr. KISS-SSB) about this. He said that the tuner-to-boat-bond is NOT necessary. The KISS counterpoise is all that is required. If that's true, it eliminates the requirement for a DC block.

You've said you have a great output signal. I wonder how that might change if you took out your tuner-to-boat bond? I'd love to know!

Looking for KISS

Glen

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10 years 4 months ago #4465 by hayden
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Glen:

I have head that too, that i do not need the copper with the KISS, that is how I ran it at first, but I have been told adding copper has helped my signal. I need to do a test with the system where I transmit with it all connected, KISS and Copper, then I want to take off the KISS and transmit just on the copper then put back on the KISS and take off the copper and transmit. Then I want a signal report aon each of the three options. Kiss + Copper, Just KISS, Just Copper, then we will know.

Hayden

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10 years 4 months ago #4466 by shawnee
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For folks using the KISS RF grounding system - as far as I know, the system relies on tuned lengths of insulated wires, that act like the other balanced side of the backstay or GAM antenna. Sort of like two arms of an old rabbit ears or old TV antennas. Or I may have that wrong, and the tuned wires rely on coupling to the sea water, thru the hull of your boat. (but I think it is the former)
By contrast, the sea water ground acts like a large ground plane, similar to the ground plane under an AM radio antenna tower.
It probably make sense to use one or the other, rather than try to combine the two.
KISS advantage - simple and it works, has no galvanic issues; disadvantage - the RF currents in the wires in the hull may generate large fields and interfere with on board electronics.
Seawater ground - best possible ground plane, but expensive and complicated to install; and requires DC block to avoid galvanic issues with bonding system. And requires drilling more holes in the hull. (Shwnee has Dynaplates on port and starboard, insulated RF braid similar to battery cable braid - but for RF, and DC block to antenna tuner)
Disclaimer - our SSB still doesn't work as well as I'd like, but SSB experts seem to think it works fine.
We will all be interested in Hayden's experiments!

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