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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #5847 by tansey
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We just closed on our 420. Whoop! Planning a trip from Tampa to Key West for Christmas. My wife and I have only sailed Beneteau and the like. Wonder what speeds the 420 averages.
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8 years 4 months ago #5850 by hayden
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David:

Congrats on your 420, that is one fantastic yacht. As Google tells us, you can calculate your hull speed as such:

How to calculate hull speed?
As a very general rule the maximum speed of any displacement hull--commonly called its hull speed--is governed by a simple formula: hull speed in knots equals 1.34 times the square root of the waterline length in feet (HS = 1.34 x ?LWL).



The waterline is sq. root of 37.333 feet = 6.11 x 1.34 = 8.18 is the IP 420 Hull Speed.

Now, on your trip to Key West, please take some photos and show us these speeds. We are counting on that :-)

Hayden

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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #5852 by tansey
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8 years 4 months ago #5853 by hayden
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David:

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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #5857 by Vyg
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Congratulations on IP420! We just bought ours (SV "Lastochka" , hull #2) end of this summer and are still in the learning curve. We keep our boat in St. Petersburg, FL, so we are neighbors! Also planning to go South (but further - to Bahamas) around Christmas.

30 knots? The sailboat is not a transportation, it is a style of living. If you average 5 to 6 knots on a fair day you should feel content. As a friend of mine used to say - "A motorboat owner gets to wherever he wants fast. A sailboat owner is already there..." Enjoy...

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8 years 4 months ago #5860 by tansey
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Vyg wrote: Congratulations on IP420! We just bought ours (SV "Lastochka" , hull #2) end of this summer and are still in the learning curve. We keep our boat in St. Petersburg, FL, so we are neighbors! Also planning to go South (but further - to Bahamas) around Christmas.

30 knots? The sailboat is not a transportation, it is a style of living. If you average 5 to 6 knots on a fair day you should feel content. As a friend of mine used to say - "A motorboat owner gets to wherever he wants fast. A sailboat owner is already there..." Enjoy...

Rosty


Agreed in general. However, we are planning our 1st overnight sail of 180 nautical miles to an unfamiliar harbor with a somewhat hazardous approach. One knot can make the difference in arriving in the light or dark. Hence, the question about speeds in different conditions. I now the speeds of a Beneteau in all those conditions but not my new lady.

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8 years 4 months ago #5862 by hayden
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Got it. Well, I will say that once you have winds of 15 knots, you will be at hull speed most of the time unless the sea state is high, say 3-5 feet and short say 4-6 seconds. Otherwise, under 15 knots, I would say 5-6 knots. and then when down to 5-10 knots, you will be doing 3-5 knots.

The game with passage making like this is to use an average of 6 knots for the leg, then estimate your time. Once underway, you can easily slow down at the other wend to arrive in favorable light conditions.

We use opencpn.org/ charting software on laptops and we create a route with that, then in the route planning, we can enter various speeds. It will then tell us the time it will take to run the route at that given speed. For our IP35 we use a lot of 5.5-speed planning. It has worked out well.

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If you do not have opencpn.org/ then you really should look into this FREE tool. It is fantastic!

Hayden

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8 years 4 months ago #5863 by tansey
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Hayden as usual, you are the bomb. I may own an island packet thanks to you. I was a lurker for a year as my wife and I researched boats for cruising. There was so much ill-informed internet FUD on Island Packets I almost abandoned them even though they were my early choice. You and a few others had so much good information it brought me back.

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8 years 4 months ago #5864 by hayden
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David:

Thank you very much. I really appreciate your kind words. Island Packet Yachts is a lifetime joy for me. Started in 1986 chartering the IP38 for a month on the Chesapeake Bay. Then 1991-2001 IP27 Cinnamon sailed every creek in the entire Chesapeake Bay. 2001-2011 IP35 Island Spirit sailing out of Rock Hall, MD and going north every summer for 2 months. Then in 2011 retired, moved onboard IP35 Island Spirit and started cruising. Five trips Maine to Key West and 6 winters in the Bahamas, we finally pushed the Thorny Path Florida to the BVIs. We have sailed on several IPs 40 and 45s MD to Bermuda and we simply LOVE the way these boats sail offshore. They are solid, safe and fast. Many say they are dogs to sail, but we have never found that to be true. I raced on a J-35 team for 8 years and I would have bought a J-120, but Radeen wanted a boat we could not race and one that was comfortable. There you go, what every you want we will get, let's just go sailing, and so we did. The IP 27 was the start.

I am very happy for you with your boat, she will teach you a lot about everything. Enjoy the adventures. There is no better life.

To show you why I like IPs offshore, check out my two best sailing videos here:





That says it all.

Hayden

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8 years 4 months ago #5866 by Vyg
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The new lady is, actually, on a faster side than smaller Island Packets. We hit 8 knots at about 13 to 14 knots of wind. Anything below 5 knots and you would need a dedicated light air sail. In between - your speed will vary depending on point of sail. I still would not be planning any passage counting on average speed over 6 knots, though. Hayden is right on the money here (as usually). Better safe then sorry...
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8 years 4 months ago #5867 by tansey
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Vyg wrote: The new lady is, actually, on a faster side than smaller Island Packets. We hit 8 knots at about 13 to 14 knots of wind. Anything below 5 knots and you would need a dedicated light air sail. In between - your speed will vary depending on point of sail. I still would not be planning any passage counting on average speed over 6 knots, though. Hayden is right on the money here (as usually). Better safe then sorry...


What RPM do you cruise the engine on and what speed do you see?

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8 years 4 months ago #5868 by Vyg
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2200 to 2300 RPM. Around 7 knots. But it depends on the hull cleanliness and the prop I would guess...
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8 years 4 months ago #5871 by capnBH
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I e always done a quick time distance calc trying to arrive in the morning. If I’m early run a reciprocal course until sunrise. In deep water offshore of course. If I’m late got all day to get in. Easier to wait than to rush and get caught in a bad situation. Happy sailing!
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