Single line mainsail reefing on IP35

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5 years 10 months ago #6110 by hayden
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Tom
1. removed the boom.
2. drilled out the rivits and removed the shuttles.
3. Dtill and thru bolted the front gooseneck sleaves because the pull is up now and they will lift out.
4. Run two chase lines in the boom to pull your new reef lines.
5. Remount boom
6. Measure your runs for new reef lines which depends on your sail. Simple measurements because you know the run.
7. Buy 7/16" new reef lines so they run in your 1/2" sheaves
8. Enjoy simple easy reefing

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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5 years 10 months ago #6111 by Delicia
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Hayden,
Thanks for the report/advice. I have a couple of questions and would like your opinion and the opinion of the group.
1. I am thinking of doing the single line reef with no shuttle reefing mod, to make it easier to reef on my IP 40. So....... what are your thoughts about doing this with dyneema for reefing lines. The reefing lines on the IP 40 are 9/16 and about 40 miles long so they are heavy. They could be replaced with 3/8 dyneema with a considerable weight savings at the same strength. I would likely use a block on the luff - the blocks weigh about 7 oz. Your thoughts.....
2. I noticed that you have changed your sail track - plastic with ss slides - I believe. I have Mack Sails; Does this make it easier to reef when on the wind. I would really like the ability to reef on the wind w/o turning up and using the mighty Yanmar.
3. Any other ideas on reefing on the wind??
Thanks in advance
George
S/V Delicia

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5 years 10 months ago #6112 by hayden
Replied by hayden on topic Re: Single line mainsail reefing on IP35
George:
I think dyneema would work great, it is just expensive. Then I would make sure that size will work in the reefing winch. The clutch will hold it but you do need to winch in the last bit. Remember, the total line will be far less because there is no doubling back inside the boom, simple straight runs.

Yes, you are right, we did add a strong track to the new mast, but last year we had our old mast and we sailed it from Florida to the BVIs and with that mast, we had no strong track and this same system worked great. Since I have gone to this I have never taken out a reef upwind. I can shake out a reef while still sailing downwind. Usually, the breeze is not 17 and under and pulling up the main with the winch works. The reef simply pulls out as the main goes up. Just like it should.

I have thought about blocks on the sail luff, but why? This simply works, and it works easily. The biggest hassle is removing the boom end cap to get out the shuttle and drilling the forward sheaves for the thru bolt.

I would wonder with the Dyneema if the friction might be more than the standard rope. I would have to experiment with that.

On this last offshore run from Stuart Florida to Cape Lookout, 525 nm in 60 hours, we reefed down 4 times and shook out these reefs 4 times. I would have never down that with the old shuttle cars. Reef in and that woudl have been it.

For me, this has solved a big problem, that of shaking out the reef. It all was based around the silly two to one shuttle cars that are not needed and would only add load. With this system there is no load until you sail. Putting in the reef is no load, so why the extra 2:1, there is no need for power there, none. The reefing winch will apply all the force needed at the end of the reef process.

One more item:
We mark our halyards and reef lines with a black sharpie, making a good one inch band around the line. This tells me, without looking up at the sail where I am. I know how far to let the hayard down and I know when I have the reef line in. This really helps at night. Yes the lines stretch and the mark moves but at least you have a mark to tell when you are close.

Hayden

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IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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5 years 10 months ago #6113 by Dosamantes
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Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I have thought about following your advise and just removing the shuttle cars, but given the size of the sail and the fact that usually its is just my wife and I as crew, was worried about how hard it might be to take in a reef. What we have now is definitely not easy.

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5 years 10 months ago #6114 by Angelfish
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We are on a 32 and the reefing with those boom shuttles is definitely a pain. We also installed a Strong Track and that has made it easier for us geezers.

Hayden, I have to do most of the sail handling and I am a small person. With your reefing system, would I be able to hold the halyard in one hand and the reefing line in the other, at the same time? I figured I would have to use the winches but didn't know how much strength it would take. As it stands, I can reef with the old system by letting the halyard down to the “mark” and then going over to the reef line and do that one.

Oh btw, we installed a fixed vang and love it.

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5 years 10 months ago #6116 by hayden
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Chris
I do all the reefing and yes, I can lower the main halyard with my right hand while pulling out the slack in the simple single li e reef with my left hand. Eventually I just lower the halyard to a bit past my mark, then put the brake on it. Tgen I can focus on the reef line at this point it's usually 3/4 pulled in, so I load the wi check and bring it to my mark. Then back to the halyard.

Right now it's really clean because I only have I stalled the 2nd reef. I rarely used the first reef. So I only have the seco d reef in now.

This summer I run the first reef.

Then it's a bit trickier as I will want to pull down both reef 1 reef 2 as the sail drops. Still, I see no problem.

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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5 years 10 months ago #6117 by Angelfish
Replied by Angelfish on topic Re: Single line mainsail reefing on IP35
Thank you Hayden, I appreciate your reply. I think changing our reefing system is something we are going to do this fall. Right now Whimsy is all covered up sans sails and all running rigging. We hunker down during hurricane season.

I have been following y'all and it looks like you guys are getting close to home. I bet it feels pretty good!

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5 years 4 months ago #6515 by Dosamantes
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I had the same thought about the twisting lines in the boom. I replaced the shuttle blocks with end to end swivel blocks similar to what you have in your photo, just this year. Our reefing system now appears to work as originally designed. We had a good chance to test the system when sailing to Ensanada last month. Predicted winds were fair for the day, sailing south with full main and jib out, close hauled, 12kn wind, we were hit by by 25-30 sustained (Santa Anna Winds from off shore). We fell off a bit and reefed the main, worked perfectly?

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5 years 4 months ago #6531 by Judith
Hayden,
On my IP-31 the aft boom sheaves are deteriorated and I want to replace them. Do you have any suggestion as to where I can purchase replacement? I believe the 4 sheaves are threaded on a rod that slips out aft once pin loosened. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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5 years 4 months ago #6532 by hayden
Judith:
You can simply pull the sheaves out the back of the boom cap. They are riding on an axel , a rod that drops into the end of the boom casting. So you need to loosen the reef lines and then you can pull the wheels out along with the axel. Now buy new sheaves and install. It is really an easy job.

You can buy sheaves here, you will need to measure your diameter.

rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Sheaves.php

Hayden

Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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5 years 3 months ago #6545 by Judith
Thanksgiving so much Hayden. Just the info I need.

Do you by any chance know the manufacturer of original stainless steel opening port lights on my IP-31 1987 #182? They are heavy duty stainless but there is no marking on either glass or frame. I need to replace a couple of gaskets.

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5 years 3 months ago #6546 by cat30
There is a guy on eBay that sells replacement gaskets, cost about $19 each, I just replaced all of mine- but I don’t see his listing now- darn
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5 years 3 months ago #6548 by sailors35
The original supplier of the ports on my 89 IP35 was a company called Whitewater Marine. Still in business?
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5 years 3 months ago #6549 by Judith
Thanks for off-topic reply. I will check out Whitewater Marine. There are a couple, one in FL and one in NY. No luck so far.
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3 years 5 months ago #6864 by g.francis
Replied by g.francis on topic Re: Single line mainsail reefing on IP35
Hi Hayden,

What is the procedure for re-riveting? Does it require a certain gun and size of rivets?
What is the spec on the thru bolt, length and diameter? How did you determine the center position of the holes for the "axle"?

Thank you, Greg

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