Techniques for pulling Odorsafe hose?

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12 years 2 days ago #2952 by PlumBob
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We're nearing the end of our "change the holding tank and all associated hoses" project. The last thing before actually installing the new toilet is to pull the hose (1.5 inch OdorSafe) that goes from the toilet to the vented loop (inside the vanity.)

My preferred way to pull this 5 foot (or so) hose would have been to duct tape the new hose to the old, and tug. Regrettably, because of the sharp curves in the hose from the vented loop to the tank, I had to remove the one from the toilet to the loop - and now I'm faced with replacing it. I DID leave a messenger line in place, so I've already got a line from hole to hole.

So now I'm looking for good ideas about how to attach a 1/4" (or so) line to the new hose. One thought is to drill a hole in the side of the odorflex, near the end, and put the line into the hose, lead it out the hole to the side, and duct tape it securely. I also think it would help to cut the new hose at an angle, rather than bluntly, to try to avoid the end of the hose getting caught under a floor, etc.

Any great ideas out there? Thanks in advance!

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12 years 2 days ago #2953 by hayden
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Sam
The best way to run this plumbing line into the cabinet in the head is to actually cut an access panel in the side of the head cabinet. This access panel can then be used to run the new plumbing hoses. We cut an access panel like this on our ip 35. The factory ran all these plumbing lines before the head countertop was installed.

So I would cut the access panel and this will make it much easier to connect to the vented loop.

Hayden

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IP35-165 Island Spirit
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Rock Hall, MD

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12 years 1 day ago #2954 by Angelfish
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Thanks Hayden! You can't imagine what Sam and I went through last weekend yanking on hoses! Our poor hands and arms will never be the same! Your idea sure is a good one and I think Sam will do this. We have one hose left to do and I'm dreading it. Does everybody think about selling their boats at this point? :)

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12 years 1 day ago - 12 years 1 day ago #2955 by PlumBob
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Indeed, I do think we will add this - it'll make our lives WAY simpler - for the one time we'll use it in our lifetimes LOL..... Seriously, it's a great idea, and we'll do exactly this. THANKS FOR THIS IDEA, HAYDEN. GREAT CATCH!

Back to the original question, though. Any other ideas for attaching the leader (messenger) line to the hose?

And then, moving the conversation forward just a bit - the boat must have had at least 2 previous toilets. The one we have just taken out was an electric. I suspect that the factory original was a PHII. But there is a veritable plethora of other holes drilled in the top of the step, where the toilet mounts - that don't line up with either the Jabsco electric or the PHII. Go figure.

At the end of the day, the OLD PHII holes are too far back away from the edge of the step. The outlet hose connection is too long to fit there (the one that has the joker valve in it) and have the existing holes line up with the new base. So, in order to use the old holes (existing holes for the old PHII,) I'm facing having to construct a base plate of Starboard, to raise the toilet enough so that the backward slant of the wall will allow me to connect the OdorSafe... The other choice is to have my fiberglass guy seal everything up well, and simply drill new holes that properly fit the new base. I'm not yet comfortable w/ the idea that this second option will give me a good firm base to tap into, since at least one new hole (front, left-most) would be partially in the filler material in the old hole, and partially in the factory material... I've never had much success re-drilling a hole into the side of an old hole. I'd love to hear everyone's ideas about this little detail.

Other than those little issues, the project is moving along nicely at the pace of an injured snail. Will post pix when I finish.

THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL IDEAS HERE !!!
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12 years 1 day ago #2958 by hayden
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Sam:

The head / toilet bolts are called HANGER BOLTS, see our discussion and photo here.
ipyoa.com/forum/44-plumbing/368-head-bolts-how-they-work

AS for the access panel, it is a must do thing, it will help you so much. Yes others have done this job without cutting into the cabinet by reaching into the space from the vanity doors and under the sink. Then others have removed the sink and reached in that way. In each of these situations, you can not see, you are working by feel only. That is crazy. CUT THE ACCESS PANEL.

Once cut, the same piece can be used to make the cover. Just add teak trim 1/4" thick and maybe 1-2" wide. Glue this on top of the board cut out and allow it to over hand the board a little. Now use 4 screws to screw this panel back into place screwing through this trim. It works well.

Note: You might want to trim down the panel a little to so it fits back in without wedging.

Now with this access panel you can see the holes to feed the odor safe hose and you can see the vent and work on that as well.

To help; HEAT THE ODOR SAFE HOSE with hot boiling water or wet rags or maybe even a heat gun but be careful there, it will melt. When warm it will be much more flexible. As for pulling it with a leader rope. I have never used that technique.


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Rock Hall, MD

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10 years 1 month ago #4838 by Rwirtz
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Hayden,
Any photos or more specifics on exactly where you cut the access hole? Thanks.
Bob

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10 years 1 month ago #4839 by hayden
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I will have to look for photos on my laptop. My cut out is about as big as the head cabinet sliding door, one side. It lines up with that at the top, tge bottom is down as low as we could cut it near the bottom, and tge width is about as wide as tge toilet area. Once removed, you will have very easy access to the screwed in factor vent just under the countertop! You also will end up cutting larger holes in the bottom of the head cabinet so you can easily make the 90 degree turn from head down into floor the up to the countertop then down into the floor again. Tge factory installed all this hose and vent with the countertop off, then they fixed the countertop down with 5200, never to come off again! Duh. So.....cut the access panel, it will make the job easier.

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Be careful if drilling down in the outboard bottom of the head cabinet, this is right against the haul and you could drill through it. Danger!!!!

Hayden

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IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD

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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #4862 by mjhetzer
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Replaced all my hoses two years ago. It's a violent project, to be sure. One tip: The hoses are so stiff that you can twist them at one end and the twist will transfer completely to the other end, which helps greatly in removing and pulling.
As for the access hole, I cut mine in the starboard bulkhead. I did not even attempt to put the vented loop behind the cabinets. Instead I mounted it behind the head itself, on the outside wall. I thought it looked cool, but the Admiral made a little fabric cover-up. :)
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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #4865 by Angelfish
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Everyone, we have discovered a fabulous find! Raritan makes an odor-safe hose that actually bends! We successfully finished our head project without having to cut any bulkheads.
Last edit: 10 years 1 month ago by Angelfish. Reason: typo
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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #4878 by SailAwayWithMe
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Thank you AngelFish. I'm getting set to do this project and you've saved me a lot of pain and suffering. fyi: For others contemplating, the product is Raritan Sani/Flex Sanitation Hose.
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10 years 1 month ago #4883 by Angelfish
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You are very welcome. Sam and spent an entire summer pulling that stiff hose, so we know what a pain it is. Also, sorry for the typo...I meant "odor-safe", not "order-safe". My iPad plays tricks on me from time to time.... ;)

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